We’re joined by a rising star in the engineering world. Coming up through Monnow Valley Studios in Wales, Callum Marinho cut his teeth on sessions for Tom Jones and even Coldplay. Now he’s Noel Gallagher’s in-house engineer. We find out about dreamy guitar tones, what synths he turns to for Noel’s records, and hear about an esoteric rack effect that’s a go-to sound used by Prince (and the former-Oasis star).
We’re joined by a rising star in the engineering world. Coming up through Monnow Valley Studios in Wales, Callum Marinho cut his teeth on sessions for Tom Jones and even Coldplay. Now he’s Noel Gallagher’s in-house engineer. We find out about dreamy guitar tones, what synths he turns to for Noel’s records, and hear about an esoteric rack effect that’s a go-to sound used by Prince (and the former-Oasis star).
Season 5 is sponsored by Audient: audient.com
STUFF WE TALK ABOUT (SPOILERS AHEAD!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neck_Deep
https://www.airstudios.com/history/
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/air-studio-ruins
http://www.monnowvalleystudio.com/
https://www.kmraudio.com/burl-b80-mothership.php
https://origineffects.com/product/cali76-compact-deluxe/
https://www.atbguitars.com/1967-fender-vibrolux
https://en-de.neumann.com/u-67
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HAn88K-3Cc (Andrew Scheps - Sold His Neve 8068 And Mixes Totally In The Box!)
https://atc.audio/professional/loudspeakers/scm150asl/
https://www.arturia.com/products/software-instruments/synclavier-v/resources
https://reverb.com/uk/item/4424489-publison-infernal-machine-90-im90
https://prince.org/msg/7/468702
Chris Barker
I'm Chris Barker.
Will Betts
And I'm Will Betts and this is the music tech my forever studio podcast brought to you in partnership with audience and we're coming to you today from t y x in taljaard. Studio London.
Chris Barker
In this podcast, we speak with musicians, DJs engineers and producers about their fantasy forever studio. The imaginary studio that our guests build is one that we'll have to live with forever. But we do have a few rules in fantasy studio foreverdom.
Yes, the rules, our guests will be able to pick a DAW and audio interface and a computer, they get those for free. Then they only get six other bits of studio kit plus one luxury item.
Will Betts
But Chris,
Chris Barker
no bundles. That's right. No bundles, no bundles of hardware or software are allowed. So watch out.
Will Betts
This time, we're joined by a rising star in the music engineering world who has worked with the likes of Tom Jones and Coldplay cutting his teeth on sessions for them, and has also engineered the last record for neck deep.
Chris Barker
Yes, plus. And most importantly, for the last two years, he's been engineer to the one and only No, Gallagher.
Will Betts
That's right. We're here with Callum Marine. Yo, welcome, welcome.
Callum Marinho
Thank you very much for having me.
Chris Barker
How was that intro?
Callum Marinho
That was good. Yeah. Yeah. Wanted to kind of climb some stairs.
Will Betts
Great. trackies on the step. Yeah. Different vibe or that vibe. Like? Yeah, okay, good. Yeah, same page.
Chris Barker
Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good. Good. Rocky vibe. Yeah, Rocky.
Callum Marinho
Oh, so I'm glad that I'm glad that you did the intro so that I know what I'm actually going to talk about on this. We like we like, we like to go into things. I'm like, What's up? Like making notes? No, no, no. We like that. We
like the preparation. It goes my plan. I
Chris Barker
forget if you hear the air horn.
Yeah, I'm just hovering. Yeah. Well, I mean, you heard some of the rules there. But I mean, the main thing let's let's talk let's get to know you a little bit before we go into like, you know, dreaming up the studio. So a young chap now working in all Galaga Yeah, I mean, so. So this is this is quite a journey. But tell us about like your road into to engineering. I mean, musician first, like most people, I guess, rather than Yes. The dream of being an engineer. Yeah,
Callum Marinho
yes. Definitely. Drama. Okay. So always in bands at school. Also a bit of a nerd. I was kind of into maths, and maths, physics and music was like when I was growing up as
Chris Barker
a normal combination of saying,
Callum Marinho
Yeah, all right, okay.
Yeah, so that was basically I didn't know when I was younger that that like those three things suited themselves really well to sound engineering, basically. But I ended up going to uni to study it. Because I did maths, physics and music at a level then went to uni to study that. And so did you do ng would did engineering? I did. Yeah. So music and sound recording. Okay. Why did you do that? Guilford University of Surrey. Yeah. Tom Meister course yeah. Thomas. Cool. Yes. Sound master yourself. So I normally introduce myself. Can you redo the intro? Okay, we'll go back and you put my credit of sound mask. So, yeah, I did that. And I found myself, enjoy more the studio stuff. Did a placement at Manoa Valley in Wales. Cool. Went back finished my degree, and then went back to Wales to be the in house engineer, because I didn't mess it up during my year of internship. So what does that look like messing it up? messing it up? I know. It's kind of hard to mess it up. Just not being
Chris Barker
well managed to do like 16 hour days. It's one Yeah. Isn't it like
Callum Marinho
stamina? It's a real, not skill. It's
Chris Barker
a great cup of tea, a great cup of tea and being able to do 16 hour sessions.
Will Betts
It's like working in the NHS and being a recording. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting similarity.
Chris Barker
Engineers during the pandemic
Will Betts
know they would they told me to stop. I was ruining their takes.
Chris Barker
Just outside Abbey Road.
Will Betts
Can you stop please, please.
Callum Marinho
So mono Valley you want badly went back? Prodigal son returns? Yeah, so I was an assistant. My placement year, and then the in house engineer kind of moved on as I was graduating. So we were like, there's a gap here. Do you want it and I was like, Yes. I will take it. So went back. Back into the frying pan fire frying pan one of the two. Yeah.
Chris Barker
Whichever way you like to cook. Yeah, yeah.
Callum Marinho
Barbecue or grill pan. Oh, Um, and it was yeah, it was good. I mean, that place took years off my life because you work in, like 42 days in a row sometimes. And it's a residential studio so you live with bands, sometimes you live with bands that you don't get on that well with my hands, you got to kind of put on like a hay because you know, they have the time of their life recording there. Yeah, thing. And you're sometimes not having the time of your life.
Will Betts
So you're fake funding.
Callum Marinho
I mean, I could be doing it right now.
Chris Barker
Do you think you think your friends do the maths and physics? He's my friend? Yeah. You think there's a bond here but he's dead already. Okay,
Will Betts
so from there, then you've got some amazing credits. Just looking looking at your bits and pieces online. How were How did you go from mono valley to where these people coming through mono Valley? What
Callum Marinho
Tom Jones, obviously, big Welsh name. He was mono. So I assisted on that. That was great. Man's got unbelievable voice still. Yeah.
Will Betts
41st record or something like so. And a number one, because he's
Callum Marinho
like, he was like, at pretty much at the time. Wow. And start stands, kind of stands stands at the back. We had him in the because that was like live tract. So he kind of had the band in this thing. And he's like, behind the big classic mono Valley doors. Just like giving it the old, the old TJ and it's like,
Chris Barker
did you ever like a mic preference? Like cuz somebody like that or just up to the engineer doesn't even ask think
Callum Marinho
it's up to the engineers on that. I think he's very
Chris Barker
just to perform. Yeah, he's
Callum Marinho
just the performer. Yeah, that's quite
Chris Barker
an old school because that's the thing. Like, I guess you've encountered it with different artists, like some artists come in, and they're quite technically savvy and all that kind of stuff. But guys from that era of the business that have been doing it, you know?
Will Betts
Yeah. Where their instrument I mean, they're the voice Yeah, doesn't matter. What you put in front of Tom Jones is gonna sound like Tom Jones. Right? Yeah.
Callum Marinho
You see those like the old TV shows you did just holding the light kind of pencil. Yeah.
Chris Barker
belting out. Yeah.
Callum Marinho
Yeah, no, he's absolutely just about like, that's your job. My job is to sing it to crush the vocal. Yeah. And then we I think we I think was just an SM seven for that. Because it was like live. And let's get geek chat. That's good.
Chris Barker
We like the CloudLifter on it.
Callum Marinho
Yeah, I believe so. And yeah, just under great. Guys got you kind of commonly mess that one up.
Chris Barker
So was it from connections there that led you to, you know, working in London and working with Noland and getting, I mean, well, the pandemic thing must have been the strange Yeah, like all just
Callum Marinho
so I left, I left the peace and tranquility of the world's countryside. And I moved to London to seek my fortune as a freelancer. And I kind of had this Coldplay part time assistant. thing, not like it's never when you're freelancing. It's never like a given. Yeah, totally. Like doing it. Yeah. But it was kind of like, yeah, we need someone to do maybe like a week, a month, or like, a week, every month or something. What for them? Well, basically assisting in the studio that they have. It's kind of what it was sold to me as and I was like, I can, I can probably do that. So I was doing a bit of that. And then Dan ended up doing some kind of building. Well, actually, it's kind of weird. I always felt like, I felt like I had to prove myself when I went there for a bit. And I always kind of second guessed, like, not when I was doing it, but I'd be like, do these people like, like me? I didn't know I was sort of like, not like imposter syndrome thing. So I was like, I feel like I'm doing like an alright job. It's like when you just feel like you need to kind of do one thing to kind of prove and then they're like, ah, and then you suddenly feel like it's less so much. What's this guy doing? Like? Yeah, it's more like hey, yeah, so they got a drum kit, a new drum kit from Yamaha sent to them, but kind of like in pieces and kind of shows I mean, even the like screws, and like, anything that anything even the kind of little Yamaha logo wasn't screwed into the right yeah, like kick drum kind of thing. The IKEA it was like an Ikea drum. Yeah. And I was like, we're gonna go for that myself. But that came. And they were like, can anyone like kind of like build this and I was like, I accept the challenge. From like, previous like, kind of tuning drums experience at Mono, which I've always kind of trusted with If so, basically I built that up and tuned it. And they were like, This is great. And then we'll the Jama was kind of like, and then I think on the first session, they kind of did with it. I was in the control room and will like said, kit sounds great. By the way, man. I was like, that was a moment. Yeah, I was like I'm in. So then it's like, so that was great. Then I had that kind of boost. So like, I feel like I've been accepted. That was good. And then then yeah, pandemic, pandemic season, which Yeah, so I left scenic Wales, and then moved to London. And about two months after I was living in London, it was pandemic
Chris Barker
and just having this moment of like, it's working.
Callum Marinho
Next stop, Graeme. And then yeah, and then the pandemic hit. And I was like, Great, then kind of like most people in industry, I was out of work. I was suckling from the teat of Universal Credit. Yeah. And I was like, What am I doing now? I was like, trying to I've my CV, and I was looking for jobs in like supermarkets anything. Yeah. And I was like, I, and like, oh, most of the top three things on my CV were like, like,
Chris Barker
Tom Jones called the guy and he's just like, put him on fruit. And yeah,
Callum Marinho
it was just that I had no transferable skills to take them all out. Because I was like, No one. No one cares. Little. I am like that. I've used like, Neve 8068 console, and I've done all this stuff. They're like, I don't know what cold plates
Chris Barker
are gonna put you in the freezer section. I guess. Yeah,
Callum Marinho
I was. I was a bit lost. And then I got phone call from strange boy. This, he kind of CO produced a lot of stuff with no. And I worked with him at Mono cuz he brought some sessions that he was producing. And, yeah, he gave me a call. And he was like, No, Gallagher is setting up a studio in London. He wants an in house guy. I think you'd be good. Do you want to like come for a chat? And like, meet him? And I was like, I think I can clear the diary. I was gonna wake up at you know, 3pm again, but I'm sure I can. Sorry, man. I'm working in Lidl. So yeah, sure I can set
Chris Barker
so good. Well, it just shows like, you know, you never know, what's that when you got to make those impressions and people remember, you know,
Callum Marinho
yes. Yes. I'm glad. I'm glad I made a good impression. Yeah, strange. Well, from wouldn't have got, you know,
Chris Barker
well, I'm sure we'll circle back to loads of these questions amongst the thing, but we will let's crack on with the format. And start talking about where in the world you would put your forever studio and what would the vibe be? Like as in the, you know, the building the location, like, you know, you've obviously you've had words, a variety of places now. So, and very contrasting places, like you say, the Welsh countryside versus inner city London studios. Yeah. Like, so. You know, why? What's your dream place? You know, for you? Well,
Callum Marinho
more so the idyllic countryside, I would say then the big city? Yeah. Although part of me also wants like, I would like it to be a bit more warm and sunny than Wales. Yeah. No offense to Wales, and untaken. But like, I always say, kind of had this thing and be like, really cool to just stick it on some like remote island, somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, that might get very boring very quickly, I'd probably go absolutely insane. The only thing I could do is come out
Chris Barker
and your music in a very interesting way.
Callum Marinho
So maybe I wouldn't go that remote, but I go somewhere more.
Chris Barker
So where are we thinking Come on? Places.
Callum Marinho
Like and don't
Chris Barker
forget, it's a fantasy, you know, could be wherever,
Will Betts
anywhere you like,
Callum Marinho
Caribbean? Caribbean, there used to be air Montserrat. Right.
Chris Barker
Right. I didn't know that.
Will Betts
So would you just revive?
Callum Marinho
I see I've seen pictures of it. And I was like, Oh my God. I was like, out of love
Chris Barker
with this in the heady like days of the 80s and the 90s where they just had unlimited money.
Callum Marinho
I think I think it was a heavy like money. I think the police recorded quite a lot of stuff there. All right, no.
Will Betts
Wise in that place. They will always
Chris Barker
call the police sting. Yeah. That's the problem. If you know sting, isn't it? An emergency it can become Yeah, he shows up and it's like, oh,
Callum Marinho
let's do exactly what he'd be able to accomplish.
Chris Barker
It calm everybody down. I'm sure. Yeah, you're looking
Will Betts
looking at them. Monster right? Yeah mentor.
Callum Marinho
So I didn't just dream it into existence it does exist.
Chris Barker
It's like somebody's holiday Villa but there's no gear and it's still well it's in
Will Betts
ruins now okay well
Callum Marinho
because the well the because the volcano volcano full stop sentences I feel like the only thing I remember from my geography lessons at school was it my geography teachers son was in Montserrat doing some like thing and then he just kept going on about Montserrat. And then because of that, I got this I feel like I know that a volcano there erupted and everyone had to like, leave for a bit.
Will Betts
You're absolutely right. I mean, check me this headline says George Martin's Caribbean recording studio now rots within the shadow of an active volcano ah, know that you've absolutely smashed me. Yeah.
Chris Barker
So are we going there?
Callum Marinho
Yeah, I'll go back.
Chris Barker
Yeah, keep the volcano or
Callum Marinho
shadow with the I mean, okay. As you know, it's about seeing the shadow there's a bit of
Chris Barker
a bass rumble in here. Oh shit
Callum Marinho
Yeah, yeah, I did fear
Chris Barker
Yeah, could translate well into the music
Callum Marinho
you've got to take lava come in.
Chris Barker
You saw recording with Phil Spector was scary. Check this out. Check out
Will Betts
my pyroclastic flow jokes reference
Chris Barker
twice not just not just massive as well. Right. Okay, so we go in there Caribbean and basically that place but we're refitting out. Okay. So yeah. And is that the kind of vibe you'd like like, you know, I don't know about I guess I guess it's less your choice when it's you know, you're working for the people that you are but like, what's the room look like? You know, because you get wooden studios you get to kind of like this kind of style and let you know,
Callum Marinho
well, I would I would transport the Monterey Valley room layout control room that like any of you've seen before, there isn't been our like seen tire like pictures of it, but it's like control room. It's like a big rectangle. And it's like control room then you've got basically three stages of live room that just go back and it gets more and more live as you go.
Will Betts
You take mono Valley out put it in air Montserrat.
Chris Barker
Yeah. That's good. As a vibe. Yeah. Yeah.
Will Betts
Okay, so what is it about that space then? You say it gets lighter and lighter as you go. But yeah,
Callum Marinho
yeah, and it's got the big old doors control room, then you've got the first bit which is kind of it's still it's not as dead as like kind of new build studios done where you kind of don't really have much character to them not It's not hanging on all new build studios, I'm sure you can get very well but like a lot of them and then you've got like big doors that you have to like take like five people to like the bush opening shot. Which was actually a very fun thing every time I had to do that. And then you have like, it gets more live where you can kind of put drums in behind the doors and kind of have like live drum sound thing and then you can still record loads of stuff in the debit at the same time. And then you've got curtains and behind that so this glass entirely glass room which is super shimmery you can imagine glass with a marble floor so you have so many options to do things that's very very cool very versatile and was
Chris Barker
sounds a bit like grass lodge I went to in Ireland which badly dislike one bit at the end of the room where it was like double height ceiling and really stone and like polished bits of Polish stone and bits you know, like, but it was done. Yeah, they used to have room
Will Betts
like that in Olympic as well. Yeah, probably it was probably like a drum room. Yeah, type.
Chris Barker
Awesome. Just that's very, very cool. Okay, so we got the vibes up let's get to the the three free items before we get to your six choices. So the the free items because everybody kind of needs them is computer Mac or PC an audio interface and what you know your DAW of choice is going to be so run us through those three things and why
Callum Marinho
Mac because I probably wouldn't know how to use a Windows computer anymore.
Chris Barker
So we're going full spec. If you do have preference on laptop or the type of MAC studio
Callum Marinho
I would probably do like I mean I haven't. So what what are those like? Is it like a Mac? What's the like superpowered Mac Mini thing that they bought the MAC studio? Yeah, I was also like that finally yeah, I've always but funnily enough, I've never actually used it. I'm just going off like a conversation that I had. When I was talking about whether or not you know Coke is the like, cheese grater 7.1 things so expensive to get like full spec of that. Like, is it worth it and someone's like, honestly make money. Studio's alike.
Chris Barker
And is this the same thing? Is this because these are ones with a new chips? Yeah, these are new.
Will Betts
M one Ultra in it. So this is like Beckett way, way way.
Chris Barker
Yeah, this is. Yeah, this is a new choice, isn't it that we've had?
Callum Marinho
We've had, but I feel like if you spec that up, it's still half the price of you spec up. It seems great. It sounds like I didn't need Yeah, cheese.
Will Betts
Fully cheese. Okay, yeah, no, we just go the little one. That's great.
Chris Barker
And let's go for the AW,
Callum Marinho
say Pro Tools. Because I'm, like, good at that. And not particularly anything else. Because I haven't used anything else in the years. Not to say like, I would love to be free. I'd love to be able to like really use Reaper really well. So they wouldn't have to worry about subscriptions. And like, things and getting sucked in by Yeah. But but I don't. I don't. And currently using Pro Tools. A nice place. And I like it.
Chris Barker
When you got that call. Yeah, normally as an engineer, if you'd have gone to that and be like, all sounds great. One thing I use Ableton, would that be a G sync? Would that have been a
Will Betts
Dealbreaker
Callum Marinho
No, I don't think so.
Chris Barker
Okay, that's interesting, because at some point, it would have been right, yeah. There was a point like, you know, early 2000s, late 90s, where it's even 10.
Will Betts
I mean, like, yeah, 10 years ago, probably
Chris Barker
you don't if you don't use Pro Tools, you're not a pro you're not, you know, you know, I mean, as an engineer, it's like, that's, that's it or nothing. But
Callum Marinho
if you're just like, well, this is what I use, and like, there's not going to be a problem with it. Like, if you're like on top of all your, even if it's going to end up as a Pro Tools session, eventually, like file management and not like, yeah, just have good file management and good luck stemming or like if he needs to be just start exporting or attractions labels. 01. And yeah, you can't go wrong, you know, otherwise. And then you're like, surely it's gonna be absolutely fine.
Chris Barker
That's, that's, yeah, that's sort of good to know that people are now doesn't really matter what you use.
Will Betts
Yeah, absolutely.
Chris Barker
And then audio interface. Dream audio interface, fantasy audio interface. Do you care? This is a free item?
Callum Marinho
Yeah. Are we talking like whatever converters? Are we talking like?
Will Betts
We like? Depends what else is in your list? Because people have gamed this system. Quite ably in the past. There are some there are some hacks not that I can give those away to.
Callum Marinho
Coming into this fresh. What I'm thinking of as of like, 10 seconds ago.
Will Betts
What converters are you thinking of?
Callum Marinho
Well, I've used I've used some burl converters. The choice? Yeah, sounded very nice. But um, but then other than that, I've kind of just used those and then like, HD IEOs kind of.
Chris Barker
So I guess if you converse with just like, any.
Will Betts
Yeah, you'd need something else in front of ya. Going into the bar?
Callum Marinho
I am not fast.
Will Betts
What are you using at the moment?
Callum Marinho
At the moment? I'm using ACOs. Like with Pro Tools, HD rig? It's kind of like just fine. We go for that. Are you? Oh, yeah.
Chris Barker
We can upsell can we can
Will Betts
upsell your drink.
Callum Marinho
Sell me something. You said bow. Yeah, right.
Will Betts
Get the bat. The mothership
that's the big convert it's
Chris Barker
actually called the mothership that's not just
Will Betts
your I think it's called the mothership cool. I think it is.
Chris Barker
I thought that was just your slap at the mothership now
Will Betts
that's yeah, that's that's a big and very expensive one. Or you can go your HDI knows like the choice is yours.
Callum Marinho
I'm going to take the very expensive mothership
Will Betts
item number one yes.
Callum Marinho
So the my studio items that I have obviously I have to be able to cover enough bases for that to be my actual studio. Well, it's up to you. If that's the case at all. I've got my Yeah, yeah, that's all I've got on my on my island in the middle of nowhere. For just nip out and yeah,
Will Betts
exactly. Yeah. Picks up many shops in the shadow of that volcano.
Callum Marinho
New. Okay, well, I'll start. Start at source. Okay. Start of source. Start with an instrument. I suppose.
Chris Barker
This is going to be drums as a drummer. Well, it would
Callum Marinho
for my own enjoyment of being able to play them. But I don't think I've I don't think I've played like I don't think I would know what my dream kit is. Yes, I think I've played it. I feel like there's still a drum kit out there that could be somebody else could have my heart. Yeah. So I don't know it yet. So anything I would say I would say probably I would take. I would steal. Yes knows. Probably 355 The red, cherry red.
Chris Barker
One. Nice.
Callum Marinho
I would I would steal that and take that. Because it is a cheat code for doing rhythm guitars, basically.
Chris Barker
Yeah. It just sounds amazing. Sounds nice. Yeah.
Callum Marinho
We'll often kind of go through different iterations of like, okay, for this movie, we'll use this one you that he'll get like, I mean, he'll obviously every single guitar that he has, is a really good guitar, of course. But even at that point, we'll kind of put some, like, even if we'll put the rhythm down, and it'd be like, This is great. It stays in the session for like two weeks. And it goes, I just just want to see by just always, like, oh, yeah,
Chris Barker
it's better. It's just it's better. Yeah.
Callum Marinho
It's, um, it's mad. It's, yeah,
Chris Barker
well, that's good. And you can't put a price on that
Will Betts
one. There any other things you'd have that you use around that as well as it just that goes straight into an amp or then?
Callum Marinho
Yeah, pedals, often kind of the general board set up a compressor pedal at the start. Now the Cali Cali compressors
Will Betts
silver 176 type thing is, yeah, it's
Callum Marinho
got like, six knobs. Yes, right. Orange and silver. Silver is the one that knows got his a silver. Okay. It's kind of cool. That's, that's there's like a Cali bass. And in Cali like guitar one. They're both really good. The kind of again, that's kind of like, it's just, I mean, that kind of would almost be one of the things but I feel like I'm running out of using up too many. Yeah, exactly. It's, yes, a great thing. But yeah, then pedals, kind of whatever NARS got
Chris Barker
for that particular record and things like that. Yeah. The mountain is always the same amp with a Gibson or.
Callum Marinho
No, well, there's a Fender Vibrolux, which is really nice thing is the 67. And that's beautifully chimey. I'd say it's got a really nice kind of high end. It's weird. It's weird, because sometimes I don't like amps that have too many, like pinging. But harmonics when you kind of play through them, and I'm like, I'm just envisioning, like, set like, I'm always kind of when I first hear it. I'm like, Oh, my God, I have to do so much. Get out. SUV or something. I'm like, there's a lot going on here. Yeah, but actually, like as things as you build up like a song, I kind of ended up just like using like, less and less a bit, and I just kick it off. And I might actually I don't need to do this just Second Life recipe next is just like, yeah, just like, fit. I spend a lot of my time trying to like, half a dB balance, like lots and lots of driving guitars, like against each other. Yeah. So kind of like, keeps me awake at night.
Will Betts
So what are your tips for mixing lead guitars? Sounds like that. Some of you are having to do a decent amount.
Chris Barker
It's got to be phase issues. It's got to be like even even the player as well. Like how do you go back and say, you know, it's not tight enough to you know, mean like, cuz you can get stuff that's yeah, too often.
Callum Marinho
I don't know about that. I've never had I've never had it, like timing wise has never really been that much. It's just me. You problem. Yeah.
Chris Barker
I'll work on that. That's fine.
Callum Marinho
No, it's just like, it's just that whole like wall of sound and trying to have enough of that going on. And then still having like a vocal that's like coming through. Yeah. And also, no likes things quite mono. And I'm like, You got like full human like for electric guitars. In the same place as a vocal and I'm like, this is a challenge. But that's your
Chris Barker
job isn't. Me.
Callum Marinho
Why are you why are you here? Yeah, fix it. Do it.
Chris Barker
Yeah. Fair enough, though, which is failure.
Will Betts
What's it like that process though? Like, because it sounds like you're in the room with no a lot. Right? So what are you giving feedback on songs as well as production stuff as well or
Chris Barker
somebody that like, you know, when when you were doing the Todd Meister course and prior to that this is somebody that was, you know, in the daily press, you know, and then yet suddenly, you're having to potentially give feedback. or give some sort of an opinion, it's must be a difficult path to tread because you don't you know, you're both just looking for the best possible product. And that's what everybody wants, but it must be difficult to navigate as somebody.
Callum Marinho
Yeah, I mean, in terms of the I don't, I don't get involved in the, like, songwriting side of things, like, a guy's written like wonderful melody. Just no,
Chris Barker
of course, no, I didn't mean like that. But I mean, like, no, but there's got to be certain bits where it's like, actually, this, I think this would be a better mic for this job.
Callum Marinho
It's like engineering side. That's like my job. So it's like,
Chris Barker
but you know, he's probably still got an incredible amount of experience in studios working with other engineers and has an opinion on that stuff, surely.
Callum Marinho
Yeah, he does. But I think again, it's like, it's like with the Coppa thing about getting that moment where you do. I can't remember when it was, I think maybe it was even like, on the first session, I did something else was like mixing it. And then someone saying like, no, left the room and came back in the mix that was up. He's like, That's it. That sounds great. And the guy was like, Oh, that was just me listening back to the roof of the thing. And I was like, Oh, nice. Yeah. So then that level of level of trust on the same page for me you do and now with the kind of engineering thing often I remember, I started off at being like, saying to him, I think maybe if I, we could try this on this and he's like, you're the engineering. Yeah, that's good. Just do it. Okay, so then. So now, definitely anything in terms of sound? It's like, open to my opinion.
Chris Barker
That's a really nice insight like to that kind of, because like I said, for you, it must have been strange because, you know, somebody's like an icon when you were a kid and then like, yeah, like say, Mike. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. As they said, you know, but I'm sure they appreciate that as well. But anyway, let's let's move on to another item number two. I'm on to
Callum Marinho
number two. Microphone. Yeah, I'm going to do I'm going to go with a Neumann U 67. Okay, because it does many things is one of my like, for like drums, one of the overheads. I kind of am sucked into a Glyn John's u 67. As a mono overhead C 12. kind of ride floor tom vibe. And I can't I can't find another combination. That sounds as pleasing where the Tom sounds good particularly because C two as I ride by the floor, it makes up the floor tom sound like obviously it's not what everyone? No one listens to mixing goes all the floor time on that is
Chris Barker
I don't know when.
Callum Marinho
But yeah, so it's great. There's one of the two months for like my overheads, guitars as well like on amps. Like sounds great. Even like figure of eight kind of back anything like more roomy. And it's also for vocals. kind of suck a go to at the moment for that. So good. All rounder Good. Very good. All rounder multipurpose accents.
Chris Barker
And yeah, how many do you have at the moment the working with you have just one
Callum Marinho
to two have got to one of them tends to live in its overhead position. Right. And the other jumps between vocals and guitar? And what
Chris Barker
about servicing on that kind of stuff? Because it's I guess the vintage ones? Right? The 60 sevens?
Callum Marinho
Funnily enough? I would I would at the moment. It's the new one. Okay, which actually, I'm enjoying it was great. Don't have like, I, I don't. I mean, I might say different if I had a vintage one at the same time, and was using like the two of them and went hang on a minute. This has got like, this is like even better. But I've it's been like, I did use vintage ones when I was a mono. And they were great as well. But these have not had I've not been like
Chris Barker
this is really bad. Yeah. And no issues. And you know, it's like actually,
Callum Marinho
it sounded good. But would I take? I don't know if I would take forever studio. Yeah. I don't know if I would take Oh, no, I would just take the one that I'm using at the moment that I quite like Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I'm not gonna say I'll take the vintage one for the sake of being a bit of a hipster with it. Yeah, I'm enjoying one.
Chris Barker
That's good. So I have number three.
Callum Marinho
Number three. Next up. Oh, I will. Can I take a console? Big old console.
Will Betts
That's a good cheat. That one is within the rules as well. So yeah, what are you gonna have?
Callum Marinho
I'm gonna take the Neve 8068 which was also at Mono Valley.
Will Betts
So they're one you're taking that I'm taking?
Callum Marinho
Well, well, they're one Bye By that, I mean Andrew Shep's is one, which he then had to think he had to sell at some point when mono died a death, sad death. But that I would take that from wherever it is at the moment. Okay, they have a much harder thing to steal than a single guitar, but would I manage it?
Unknown Speaker
Okay, yeah.
Will Betts
Yeah. 2021 Andrew Shep's sold his Neve 8068. He totally mixes in the box.
Callum Marinho
Yes. But it's an amazing sounding thing. It's great. And it's got it's got kind of, I can't remember what the module compresses. It has a bit of basically like slightly early versions of 3369 that it had in it. So you kind of got like a mix buss compressor in there. So I don't have to have that as one might be so yeah. Specifically, with the, with the compressor modules in,
Chris Barker
that's, that's fine. specifically. So you, would you say you like a Neve guy, though? Because there's a lot of people that are like SSL or Neve in terms of engineers that have a preference or
Callum Marinho
Yeah, I would say I'm a Neve guy. I have. I haven't used that many SSOs. And maybe the ones that I have used I probably use earlier in my life when I was much worse at using them. But I, I'm enjoying using Yeah, and the stuff that I use a moment.
Will Betts
Because just the sound or is there some other elements? Or is there work? Well, the thing on what
Callum Marinho
that console is so good, because it's just like, there's no, it's very easy to use. It's just like, you've got your like 31 102 preamp and EQ modules. So it's like, they sound great. And I know like having used that console that mono over like, the years I kind of very quickly working out what I want to get from it. What I want to get kind of the low end resonance from like kicks and things I want to boost things at like 60 or 100 or so. They're like, super good for that. Obviously, some very surgical, but whatever. I can deal with that later if needs be on my Mac Studio.
Chris Barker
stock stock.
Callum Marinho
Exactly. Fine. That's fine. But yeah, no wicked wicked console. So I said number four, then. So I want to say which is one Martin is gonna have to be a software item.
Will Betts
Doesn't doesn't have doesn't have to be but you can't hear
Chris Barker
and so you're probably gonna need
Callum Marinho
Oh, yeah, this is good. This is good. Oh, good. Appreciate this support from the floor.
Chris Barker
be awkward to get to the end.
Callum Marinho
You just played out actually mixed with my eyes
Chris Barker
on the speaker and fell into the mat.
Callum Marinho
Yeah, monitoring? Well, at the moment, we've got ATC 150s, which are really, like, transparent, and tell me most of what I need to know. And they, they don't flatter me. If something is like, bad, then you can hear that it's bad and you can do something about it. I would, but then I would be a bit scared about just having though. Because like I'm like at the moment. It's like combination of Ns 10s, which I'm sure people probably have as their go twos. Because everyone knows what an attendance poster sound like.
Chris Barker
Does that still we've had two points of view on the podcast where these actually there's people going nah, nobody cares about that anymore. But there's playback through a laptop,
Will Betts
is what you're saying? Yeah. 10s more common listening experience, but you say ns 10s Yeah,
Callum Marinho
I say ns 10s Yeah, because
Chris Barker
what Amplo
Callum Marinho
of you I like so I'm trying to think of what the amperes we've got Knowles a bright rice. So Bryson and that sounds good. But I've also used them with a I'm gonna get I'm gonna get bryceton Yeah,
Chris Barker
most people choose that I think. But that would be three items. So
Will Betts
so you're gonna you're gonna take ns 10s And you Bryson up I feel like we've bundled
Chris Barker
that yeah, we have bundles
Will Betts
which is equals Yeah. Or when you take the ATC or something else you want to just go big you know? TCS?
Callum Marinho
I'm gonna go ATCs
Chris Barker
you're gonna stick with those. You're gonna go fall install
Callum Marinho
soffit mounts off it now. Yes, okay. Well, I in the control room, it knows it is soffit mounted. 150s Okay. Okay. And that actually, because we initially had them on stands, but that control room wasn't designed to have big speakers. That was kind of Yeah, it was designed to have the 20 fives but Then we wanted. Yeah. So then we put them on we so we got 150 is kind of on loan I think just to like test it, put them on stands. And it was kind of didn't really work because it wasn't designed for that. So then we like we did like readings and whether we had EQ adjusted, kind of on the mains main lines out to them to kind of compensate for some of the peaks and troughs. But that was a kind of a little temporary thing until we can then overlay one Christmas, get them in the wall. And now it sounds like
Chris Barker
wicked. So it was a significant difference as soon as they were done properly in the wall. Oh, it
Callum Marinho
seems it was done properly in the wall. It was like because that I feel is the thing with like big speakers if you don't set them up, right? This is carnage. It's just like I've been I've been in control rooms before where people have got big ATCs and then the mains are like either. What are these weird, weird ones with like, little like, cones on the top of them as well as not barefoot?
Chris Barker
Barefoot stuff comes on the top? Yeah, yeah. And some of the phone call Twitter days as well.
Callum Marinho
I've been CEOs with big speakers, and then they're not even like anywhere on the like monitoring section. Oh, no, we don't use those. They sound really bad. And
Chris Barker
a&r Guys, yeah, this is what we're paying for. It good for big ones. Yeah, good.
Callum Marinho
And it's like, I totally, you can just they're just pointless unless
Chris Barker
there was a bit of that with consoles as well. At one point, there were studios felt like they just couldn't, they weren't using the big, big consoles, but they felt like if we get rid of this, people aren't going to think we're a real recording studio. You know, I mean, like big speakers and a lot of faders is what people picture as a recording studio. That's what they're paying for. So yeah, and even even artists that have set up studios, I've known artists that have done it that way with people need that just for the impact when they're working with like a famous pop star singer or something. They want to come in and see somebody going. Yeah, even though it's like we're just doing it all in ProTools. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Will Betts
Just Vegas modal.
Callum Marinho
Yeah.
Chris Barker
Sending cans of Coke.
Callum Marinho
When you got when you like, linking, like faders from like, one end, like you got to talk a talkback mic. So we actually have like channel 64 when you're doing it from here, and someone just comes in and just sticks like a little push it or something. And you're like, Okay, great. You pull that data and it's like,
Chris Barker
spread out their way. The other way. Don't put it into the compressor. Yeah, think about it. Right. So like in the ATCs gonna get popularity. Yeah. So number five.
Callum Marinho
It was nice. When you reminded me that I needed something if he got something that I'm missing from a key part of the chain before I will. I mean, you are a drummer. Yeah, I should be able to hit something. Yeah. You might want to Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Chris Barker
Who's your favorite drummer? Take his kit. Thank you can't do it.
Callum Marinho
Me.
Will Betts
No. Wow. Joking. No. No synths either. And no software. Yeah,
Callum Marinho
I've got two left. Right. I've got two things left. Okay, I will do drums I don't know what what kit I would know. Okay, well, maybe I won't I genuinely I wouldn't. I couldn't I couldn't call it like there's like different snare drums that I've used. Great and I've loved them but I don't want to bring like one snare don't do that. Start the monster out marching band.
Chris Barker
One man everytime the volcano erupts. Just wondering what's happening. Parade.
Will Betts
So it sounds like those into since he does like
Callum Marinho
his sense.
Will Betts
Is there anything in that studio?
Callum Marinho
I have something. I've got it. Yeah, and it's software, but it's also synth related. Okay, and it's a big old Arturia collection. Okay, okay. It's a specifically
Chris Barker
federal recreations of hardware that I know
Callum Marinho
I know. The hardware. Yeah.
Will Betts
I mean, you can totally get it. We want to hear about it. Yeah, I definitely want to hear right. What is it? What are you using in the arteria? V collection? Is it
Callum Marinho
Yeah, yeah, mainly the since like the Jupiter in the Juno. And also some of the basically, no has often also said he's a massive fan of presets. And I agree, like it's a really good place to start and like flick through, and there's one particular preset, I think, um, might be the Synclavier. So there's a preset and I think, funnily enough, because all the presets will just go through them in alphabetical order. This one happens to start with the letter A I'm glad that it Does Yes I'd have been there for hours otherwise if it started with, but I think it's called like anti chamber preset on the synth Clavia. This is my specific love reference. But it basically sounds like you're in, in like a tube station. And a tubes like gone past it kinda like, even if you just hold like one note, it kind of just slowly like, like builds and like high like harmonic stomping around super stereo. So I'll miss like
Chris Barker
that software preset, was it on the original CicLAvia?
Callum Marinho
I couldn't tell ya, because I've only used the soft way or do not. So maybe just just to avoid me buying sin Clavia and being like worse anti chamber. I would maybe take that. Although, does that. Does a MIDI keyboard have to be one of my
Will Betts
Yeah, kinda. Yeah. I mean, you can just use the drop in or user typing keyboard keyboard typing, musical typing. Yeah,
Chris Barker
that's a good hack, though, is getting a hardware synth that you can use as a MIDI keyboard. The Pro Tools comes with instruments. You must have instruments in there.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah, yeah,
Callum Marinho
I will. Right so what button if you get a synth? Clavia with a MIDI out? Can you?
Will Betts
Probably I mean mod, mod it I mean, fancy forever. And you've got a studio tech as well. Yeah, the Forever studio maintenance tab. You can do all sorts. Yeah.
Callum Marinho
Like yeah, yeah.
Chris Barker
Okay, so go Synclavier me Yeah, go
Callum Marinho
for sin Clavia with a MIDI out mod
Chris Barker
and that preset built in. And that preset built in. Because it's samples anyway. Right. So
Callum Marinho
maybe go for a mini Moog? Because I do love those but I'm just gonna go monophonic as well, right. Yeah, that's true.
Will Betts
So synth Clavia with MIDI mod,
Chris Barker
polyphonic MIDI monitor. I
Will Betts
like I like the way that you've gone from like, just go V collection. I'm gonna take a $30,000 Yeah, was it? Is it more than that? It's to me, it's crazy. It's insane amount.
Callum Marinho
The other thing is, I think he's just in Colombia, but I don't know. Because he's just like, because I got it. And now I import every time I mean, I want that for like ease of time, just import the track with the preset on from like another session. So I don't I don't like select on like tools like instruments like synth Clavia every time. So I'm seeing some coffee, but I might even be wrong. Well,
Chris Barker
sending your listeners. We've got this wrong, but like
Callum Marinho
yeah, someone's like, that's actually not the single
Chris Barker
deliver it to a volcanic island. And then you get it and you go now this isn't it? If I
Callum Marinho
if I describe it to you, if I describe the software version that I see on my screen, yeah. Can we clarify if it is correct, or it's like, feel like it's like got a wooden kind of frame? Yeah. And there's like as green? It's like keyboard bit and a screen and there's like, like knobs on the left hand side. Yeah.
Will Betts
Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's that thing.
Callum Marinho
Yeah. Yeah, that's
Will Betts
the one Yeah, I
Callum Marinho
think that is the one. Okay. Yeah. No, that's good. That's good. That's good. It's
Will Betts
got a screen. Yeah, it's got a little sort of computer looking screen with the green text on it. Yes. Yeah. That's the one nail days
Chris Barker
nail this lack of conviction. Here we go. Final item before we get to a luxury item. So final, final item for the for the studio kit.
Callum Marinho
What do I use all the time? Oh, I'm going to Can I have a Publix and Infernal Machine effects unit which might I might it might be the case I'm taking this over something like deeply deeply essential. I'm guessing I don't need cables and
Chris Barker
I never heard of this and which is quite rare what
Will Betts
I've heard of this either this is a
Chris Barker
there's one for sale.
Callum Marinho
It's a it's like a French company publication. They made some effect hardware effects units. And they sound like mad they sound so like
Chris Barker
a guitar thing.
Callum Marinho
So it's a studio rack thing right? It's like a three u thing. The Infernal Machine 90 is one that no is it vintage? And it is basically it's got delay and reverb presets in it that are the reverb presets are just unbelievable.
Chris Barker
anybody listening to this needs to look up a look at the fact that it says Infernal Machine stereo audio computer Oh yeah, yes,
Will Betts
it looks like it's got this horrible membrane switches on as well. Like those nasty little bugs.
Callum Marinho
Oh yeah, I really hope I'm not have I pressed it
Will Betts
like microwave button.
Callum Marinho
Yeah, it's horrible. But what comes out of it is that I just can't
Chris Barker
so much do you know much about like, why Knowles got one of these like, like so it's one of the things I've never seen so never seen. He must have used it in the studio or Some of our enemies like
Callum Marinho
so I think he knew about them because I think Prince use them right. And I think either no knew about that, or I don't know where he got this
Chris Barker
from from a huge Prince fan and I've not heard of this. That's awesome.
Callum Marinho
But yeah, he got this. Yeah, I hadn't heard of it. Then he was like, I've got a couple of things come in. It's pretty mad plugged him. Like, little SM seven into your room is your comms. And it's like, loads of like, just the preset sound. It's like it's not doing mad stuff. It's not like kind of H 3000 style pitch 50 things although they do have a pitch shifting machine that I can't get my head around. So I don't use it that much. But just the reverb presets they have like the the spectrum is like perfect. It just sounds like a record just sounds like that's perfect. Like that vocal can now is happy.
Chris Barker
Yeah, it just, it's I'm gonna have to look this up. Sounds awesome. And I just it's a strange one that you think it should be something that Universal Audio would be all over all over like recreating,
Callum Marinho
I think the difficulty is is that they're kind of you can't it's very hard to get ahold of the people that know what made it go to who the whom who made it and whether or not you can like get you can get everything you need out of just opening it up and running. Yeah, like stuff through it.
Chris Barker
Yeah. It reprogram the chip. I feel like software. Yeah, rather than Yeah, you can't just analyze it. Yeah. Like it's one of those we can't take impulses from it and things like that. Yeah, yeah.
Will Betts
So apparently according to this the intro to 1999 was a piece of outboard gear called the pumps and Infernal Machine and prints used it not just for vocals, so that intro
Unknown Speaker
no mad could that be? Yeah, sounds like the one
Chris Barker
that was interesting. Mix that one as well because it was originally recorded as a full three part harmony all the way through or something to three people sing it and then in the mix whenever we left like producer I think he pulled up that's why it goes kind of
Callum Marinho
I'm looking blankly because I Okay, I don't know this song. And I know it's a be like, how do you not know that? No. Just enough so
Chris Barker
but yeah, it mixed it with different brought one vocal in which is like the third and then the fifth. But as are their own thing, rather than it being the block harmless and just cool. So that's why it jumps around that melody. It's quite interesting.
Callum Marinho
I'll give it a listen. See if I can hear the Yes. Even here. They will publish on it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That spectrum. Yeah.
Will Betts
So what have you used it on? What have you used publishing on in terms of stuff we might
Callum Marinho
vocals on the latest. The last two the two singles on the no record. So pretty boy and easy. Now pretty boy in particular. That's the two vocal effects that are like mainly used on that one of them is a preset on an HD 1000 called Atlantis, which is like a little ping pong PC, Reverse Delay. Great, that's another like go to thing tend to like pull up and then it's one of the one of the reverb settings on that person. Whether it's the
Chris Barker
no goes for vocal or when you work with artists like that. Did they say? I think this bill would be cool for that, or is it a decision you make and then present them like I put this on it? What do you think
Callum Marinho
it is? Uh, well, the Lantis is one that no one was like, oh, that's less Lena. There's faff about with some fun vocal sounds. I want to have fun with it. So I just went through preset and it was like, Oh, I like that. Yeah. And that's when we stopped at Atlantis. And it sounded really good. And publishing was one that I messed around with. And I was like, I don't think I presented that one to him in the same way as with Atlantis. Yeah, he was like, that's great. I want to use that. Yeah, I just thought this is good. I mean, he's this nice, but I think yeah, but I think it's he's happy that I used the the publishing on them. Yeah. He likes using all his gear because he just loves gear and sounds great. Well, Andy, like he likes the fact that like, you know, we're using actual stuff because we try and do as little in the box as possible really.
Chris Barker
But it's and it's genuinely what makes records sound different, isn't it? That kind of stuff. Because you know, especially in an age where anybody can get a lot of things software legitimately or legitimately and like you know, technically sound the same as having those bits of kit like that was just a why is that?
Will Betts
It's quite an unusual set of things you've got well, let's run through it. Let's
Chris Barker
run it right so so strap in Have a listen to this.
Callum Marinho
I stand by every single decision.
Chris Barker
But well rundown before we get to your luxury item run down through the list.
Will Betts
Okay. So you're reviving Montserrat by taking the entire setup from mono Valley and putting it in Montserrat. If your computer your free items you've got a computer it's an Apple Mac Studio with an M one Ultra chip 128 gigabytes of RAM eight terabytes of SSD storage interface is above be at mothership your DAW is Pro Tools and for your items. Your first item you've chosen is no Gallaghers cherry red Gibson ES 355 Your microphone is a Neumann your very own Neumann new 67 Why
Callum Marinho
say my own? No absolutely owns it. Okay, well, you've
Will Betts
stolen my phone as well. Okay. You've taken also from mono Valley, the Neve 8068 formerly of mono Valley. Then you've got a pair of soffit mounted ATC SCM 150 ASL pros. For since you have a synth Clavia with a MIDI mod, that's possible, we think. And finally, for effects you've chosen the publice and Infernal Machine 90 stereo audio computer.
Callum Marinho
Absolutely.
Will Betts
How's that gonna work for you reckon? How's
Callum Marinho
that gonna work for me? Well, I have got the account the compressors in my console. Yeah. So I can kind of dip into that. Yeah, that is actually true. Thinking about those. I didn't have a compressor in every channel on that at 68. So
maybe I share my luxury item right now
Chris Barker
is something that's yeah, something okay. It wasn't gear related for your studio. Something that like yeah, either personal to you or sentimental or something that you've maybe taken from session to session when you've traveled around or, or just something ridiculous like, but something you feel like will be great addition to the studio. That isn't a bit of gear.
Callum Marinho
Yeah. Okay, so I do accept that perhaps might be a bit light on the on the compressing front but I'm sure you'll figure it out. Yeah,
Chris Barker
you've got forever to figure it out. So it's fine.
Callum Marinho
So luxury item pool table. Yeah, okay, there's a pool table which I feel like is like a necessity at least it was what kept me sane there being one of them mono when you're doing like, like 42 day Yeah, stents kind of needs something. Did you get really really good at pool embarrassing me not
Chris Barker
know did afford to Destin
Callum Marinho
you would think after like having nothing to occupy yourself other than the pool table. You come out of it like Ronnie O'Sullivan, but I absolutely did. I'd be like line.
Will Betts
You did wear the waistcoat, though.
Callum Marinho
Yeah, no, I probably still get like seven balls. So that I didn't know. Maybe that is an option. What are the vibes
Chris Barker
when you're on the right track? Just wanted to be your thing. Yeah. Something
Will Betts
that tells us a little bit about your history. But yeah, the pool tables. Great. I'm pretty happy with that. Are you happy with the pool table?
Callum Marinho
Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm happy with that. A pool table. A pool table. Yeah, I mean, it's gotta be.
Chris Barker
It seems all when you say you're not very good at it, though. That's why I find it hard to get good. Well, you have 42 days. It's not forever,
Will Betts
is it? Yeah. Crash Course. Yeah, it's true.
Callum Marinho
Yeah, exactly. I've got like I can aim to aim for Yeah, self improvement. patentable balls.
Will Betts
We've also had personal chefs.
Chris Barker
Yeah, we've had that we've had an interesting fact sushi trains we've had
Will Betts
128 foot was full 27 foot sorry. over a foot seems unnecessary. I feel like a pool
Callum Marinho
of these dwarf my request. No, like full time employment. Or like nature
Chris Barker
full time. Yeah, just a full table. Yeah, fine. Okay, that's good. Are you going for red and yellow balls? Are you going the American with the numbers and
Callum Marinho
yellow? Yeah. classic British pub. Yeah. Yeah, and I'd like yeah, I'd like it and I'd also like it to slant slightly towards the bottom left and one of the like,
Chris Barker
just for pop vibes just can't be can't be Yeah, because otherwise like how do I like justify not being very good at like what is support should be the opposite.
Callum Marinho
I should like when every time someone else like lines up a shot like the black into that corner?
Chris Barker
Yeah, like did that. Did you see that? No, it's fine. That that's fine. I got this on the Forever studio podcast so it's perfect. Yeah. And is it what a quitter go or free
Callum Marinho
Yeah, and I keep all the
Will Betts
side hustles like, Okay,
Chris Barker
I once went to a pub where they had an L shaped pool table ever seen that just nonpotable it had like
Callum Marinho
crazy golf. Yeah, it was weird.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah, it's a lot the setup from totally setup to
Chris Barker
Damn, it wasn't That's a true story. That's a true story. There used to be a pub been my hometown, they had an island. Everybody's got a plan there. Why is
Will Betts
that's not gonna help you anywhere else in life? No,
Chris Barker
no, or in any other game of pool. Anyway, did it? Did it? Well.
Callum Marinho
Let's try to think about the logistics of it.
Chris Barker
Oh, yeah. You didn't have to break down the end. That would be you know, it was normal. And then just, but always what happened is just all everything just gathered the end of the quarter. And it's just
Callum Marinho
how would you do that pocket of the owl. That's cute. It's the angle to which
Chris Barker
they're there. And then that corner.
Will Betts
If anyone's listening on podcast describing the
Callum Marinho
shape, they're there. They're there. And oh, yeah. Basically. So yeah, so there's no, there's no six pocket where the where the inner corner of the L would be? Is that correct? Yes. Yeah. Because I was gonna say that. That's the weird one. I don't know how you do that. Yeah. So it's dangerous
Chris Barker
pocket that one would be anyway. Let's try and keep this podcast in the pocket. And nice and wrap up. So anyway, we just want to thank you so much coming for coming on the podcast. It's been a pleasure. Thanks for all your stories and all the best in your career, man. Like he's crushing it already. Crushing every kind of Yes. Well, that brings us to the end of podcast. Thank you so much. I guess. When's the album out? Yeah.
Callum Marinho
When is the album out? album out? Early summer, or late spring? I don't know the exact
Chris Barker
okay. But around that and that's all your handiwork. Engineering.
Callum Marinho
That is my handiwork. Engineering handiwork mixing. Yes. I'm very excited for it to be out in the world. Yeah,
Chris Barker
of course. I guess is this like the this is like the biggest thing you've done?
Callum Marinho
Yeah. Awesome. Very cool. No offense to anything else that I've done in the past. No, but but it is.
Chris Barker
Excellent. Well, thank you so much. Thank you. So some great choices, and a risky one stealing his boss's guitars. The first I
Will Betts
know, that wasn't the only risky thing is putting the studio on a volcanic island. I think Yeah. One of the riskier choices we've
Chris Barker
had but that's so that no can't get to it. To get his guitar back, I think. Yeah, yeah. Well, anyway, all that's left to say is thank you so much to everybody for tuning in. And we will catch you next time for more adventures into studio for evidence. Thank you. Bye bye bye bye.
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